http://dustyfeet.com/dissertation/1sthalf.pdf "Stress results from a combination of factors such as syllable length, pitch, and vowel quality, as well as loudness" {the latter has to be influenced by something IMO} { Guilhem's poetry influenced by Arabic? Basque? Germanic? it's clearly stress-timed; but I see a marriage of stress- and syllable in Italian but they just have long/short syllables the consonant, the dipthong this influences Finnish but I posit this creates stress anyway what went on in Arabic? } * * * http://rnoske.home.xs4all.nl/CV/publicaties/autonomous_typological.pdf { deletion of syllables vowel reduction as well as dipthongization in Old French because of stress? } "4.1.2 Diphthongization A process of diphthongization was ope rative in Gallo-Romance and Old French in stressed syllables (Pope 1953: 60-62, 103-104, La Chaussée 1989:182, 185, 187, 194). Examples: mel [mel] > [mi ? l] ‘honey’, cor [k ? r] > [ku ? r] ‘heart’, mare [ ' ma ? re] > [ ' ma ? r ? ] ‘sea’" "5.1.1 Syllable timed languages versus stress timed languages According to the theory of syllab le timed languages vs. stress timed languages proposed by Pike (1945) and Abercrombie (1967), there are two types of languages: those which main tain an equal temporal distance between syllables and those which keep an equal distance between stressed syllables. The first group, syllable timed languages, would include languages like Spanish and French, whereas the second group, stress time languages, would contain among others English and German. With the further development of the study of acoustic phonetics, however, this idea was refuted by phonetic measurements. For instance, Wenk & Wioland (1982) show that the distances be tween French syllables are all but equal, and t hus French does not neatly fit under the syllable- timed category. " { yes but the Academie forced Frendch poetry to be read with equal syllable length but that was post Middle Ages } { says modern French is perceivable as syllable-timed old French as stress-timed in any case so Oc too }